Pascal's wager... lol!

Sorry, if u are wrong, u have just wasted a lifetime living in a lie and doing something meaningless instead of truly experiencing life.
Owa | 11:46 AM

You will frequently hear believers make the following rationalization:

Suppose you are right. Suppose there is no God. Then when I die as a believer, I have lost nothing. I just die, as a man that devoted his life to love and morals. But if you, as a non-believer, are wrong and I am right, you have to spend an eternity in hell. See, I have nothing to lose, but you have everything to lose.

The problem with this line of reasoning is that there are thousands of gods that humans have imagined. A person who believes in Allah can make this statement, and so can a person who believes in God, and so can a person who believes in Vishnu. The fact is that religion is a form of delusion. By believing in an imaginary god, you have not "lost nothing." What you have done is commited yourself to a lifetime of delusion, instead of commiting your life to reality. Non-believers live moral and loving lives without having to resort to delusion.
The fact that there are so many gods proves that all of these gods are imaginary. If there actually were an all-knowing, all-powerful, all-loving "god" in any form, that would be obvious to everyone and we would all align on him. His existence would be undeniable and impossible to hide.
Owa | 5:09 PM

Understanding the Rationalizations If you ask a religious person about Jesus' divinity, you may find yourself in a conversation like this:

Norm: If Jesus is God, why didn't Jesus ever prove that he is God? Chris: He did! He performed many miracles, and he was resurrected. That proves that he is God! Norm: Why did he not prove that he is God in a way that is definitive and scientifically provable -- for example, by moving a mountain? Chris: He could not do that! That would take away man's free will to believe in him. People must come to God through faith. Norm: Why, then, did Jesus perform the miracles described in the Gospels? Chris: To prove that he is God. If he had not done the miracles, culminating in his final most miraculous resurrection, we would not know that he is God. Norm: I thought that if Jesus performed miracles to prove that he was God, then it took away our free will. Chris: No. Norm: Isn't that what you just said? Chris: No. What I just said is that Jesus' miracles prove that he was God. Norm: So why didn't Jesus perform real, concrete miracles like moving a mountain? Chris: Because that would take away our free will.

Try having this conversation yourself with a Christian and you will find it to be a very odd discussion. The circular logic will make you dizzy:

• Jesus had to perform miracles to prove his divinity, and that doesn't take away free will...
  
• ...But if Jesus performed miracles that we could see and scientifically verify, it would take away free will.

Any unbiased observer can see reality. The reason why Jesus did not perform concrete, verifiable miracles is because Jesus was a man like any other. Here is another rationalization that believers will frequently use to try to explain Jesus' behavior. In the book "The Case for Faith," the author Lee Stroble interviews Peter Kreeft, Ph.D. Dr. Kreeft says the following:

"Scripture describes God as a hidden God. You have to make the effort of faith to find him. There are clues you can follow. And if that weren't so, if there was something more or less than clues, it's difficult for me to understand how we could really be free to make a choice about him."

Clues? Hidden? According to the Bible God incarnated himself. He created an entire human being named Jesus. That is not a "clue" -- that is a huge, obvious piece of evidence. It is very hard to "hide" a 170-pound human being who is running around performing miracles on every street corner. Then you collect the stories of those miracles and publish them in a book. Where is the hiding in that? There are examples of God's desire for publicity throughout the Bible. The best known is God's parting of the Red Sea in the book of Exodus, chapter 14:

Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD drove the sea back by a strong east wind all night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided. And the people of Israel went into the midst of the sea on dry ground, the waters being a wall to them on their right hand and on their left.

That is impressive, and it is utterly obvious. Thousands of Israelites witnessed this event. There are many other events that are equally obvious: manna from heaven, the Ten Commandments carved onto stone tablets, the Passover massacre and so on. All of it is described in the Bible, which God wrote so that billions of people can read about these events and experience them vicariously today. It is pretty hard to hide something that you do in front of thousands of people and then describe and publish in billions of books. Clearly God is not a hidden God.
But there is an even more impressive sign that we often forget. If God exists and God wrote the Bible, then rainbows are actually proof that God exists. God is not hiding at all. If you read Genesis 9:12-13 you will find this:

And God said, "This is the sign of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for all future generations: I set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between me and the earth..."

What could be more obvious than that? God left a sign for all future generations, according to the Bible. Clearly God does not want to hide. There are also plenty of cases in the New Testament. For example, Matthew, Chapter 17:

After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus. Peter said to Jesus, "Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters--one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah." While he was still speaking, a bright cloud enveloped them, and a voice from the cloud said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!"

These are not exactly the actions of a God in hiding. Apparently the free wills of Peter, James and John were not that important to God. And again it is published in the Bible so that billions of other people can read about it. Or take this passage from the book of Matthew, Chapter 3:

As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him. And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."

Again, not exactly a hidden God. Or this passage from the book of Luke, Chapter 2:

And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night. An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. But the angel said to them, "Do not be afraid. I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people. Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord. This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger." Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God and saying, "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace to men on whom his favor rests." When the angels had left them and gone into heaven, the shepherds said to one another, "Let's go to Bethlehem and see this thing that has happened, which the Lord has told us about."

The free will of the shepherds was certainly tarnished a bit here. In 1 Corinthians 15:6, Paul says,

Then he [Jesus, after the resurrection] appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time.

Those 500 people must have lost their free will. And John says:

Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written. (John 21:25)

That's an awful lot of miracles -- so many that the world would not have room for all the books describing them. Presumably at least one person witnessed each miracle. Think of how many names fill just one phone book. Now imagine a whole world full of phone books. That's a lot of people. Weren't all of their free wills affected? How is God hiding if millions of people saw Jesus and the miracles he performed? Clearly the notion that "God is hiding" is pure rationalization.

Owa | 4:56 PM

It takes your food seven seconds to get from your mouth to your stomach.

One human hair can support 3 kg.

The average man's penis is three times the length of his thumb.

Human thighbones are stronger than concrete.

A woman's heart beats faster than a man's.

There are about one trillion bacteria on each of your feet.

Women blink twice as often as men.

The average person's skin weighs twice as much as the brain.

Your body uses 300 muscles to balance itself when you are standing still.

If saliva cannot dissolve something, you cannot taste it.

Women reading this will have finished by now.

Men are still busy checking their thumbs.
Owa | 4:27 PM

i think what is needed here is empirical evidence depicting the creation of man from dirt.




it will more or less settle the debate in an indisputable manner. judging from the confident tone of bic, this should be child's play.



but nothing from the bible please. universality of truth does not depend on a single source of information, and if your version of creationism is universally true, there should be multiple sources with effective cross referencing to justify your stance.



as a belief, evolution is comfortable with taking supporting evidence from all schools of thought. perhaps the same can be done for creationism.
 
1. how can you prove this?




2. it says so in the bible.



3. but how can you prove the bible is right?



4. how can you doubt the bible?



5. because the bible is written by man.



6. no. the bible is by god. and god is always right.



7. how do you know?



8. it says so in the bible.



argumentum ad nauseam.
Owa | 11:54 AM

Even you are not within my sight, you are still in my heart and my soul forever , encouraging me and pushing me forward ...
Owa | 8:04 AM

my bf is a ****ing loser



he always boast to me that he got alot of partners before thats why he is so good on the bed and he always make me cum all the time


everytime we do it he always tells me the same thing, its like a ritual for him before and after the session he must tell me, do you know why i'm so good? do you know why i can make you cum so easily? then he'll go on and on about how good he is with other girls






such a turn off!


today i finally told him the truth, that i've got almost 3x the number of partners he got thats why i can make both HE and ME cum together, so actually it wasn't his skill at all but MINE.






guess what?


he don't believe me! keep on insisting that i'm a virgin and he is my first.


i can't believe what a loser he is!






another point, after we have sex he will be completely knocked out and go to sleep until tomorrow morning cannot wake up go school always miss class


so i always leave for school before he wakes up, when i come back guess what?






he will scold me for not waking him up make him miss his class!


wtf man! he cannot wake up not my business!






and you guess what is he doing now?


SLEEPING LIKE A PIG!
TS is not always about sex man, although sex is satisfactory but also something call love man and most importantly is responsibility. If sex just come and go isn't that make your life cheap and unprecious? Does that mean your parent's effort of bringing you up means nothing to you?


no i don't but i think guys should be more responsible and take the initiative to be more caring and try to understand the other party better







all the time i hear him complain to me that i'm not understanding, he has needs, he has desires. then what about me? i don't have needs don't need understanding don't have desires!?






sex is the only thing that is keeping this r/s alive, other than the fact that he's cute too


but once i lose interest in the sex i'm going to dump him already. he's like a small child inside a man's body

well to think that you have sex with a guy just cos he's cute makes you a small child too what makes you any better? you selling your body to someone who looks cute while you dont love him at all what makes you think you wont sell your body for cash? i have cash in abundance and i can buy that pu$$y of yours
 
If you think s*x is the only thing which is keeping your current r/s alive,



i advise to break up and find what love and life is all about...
Owa | 8:04 AM

Soul mate

People think a soul mate is your perfect fit, and that's what everyone wants. But a true soul mate is a mirror, the person who shows you everything that's holding you back, the person who brings you to your own attention so you can change your life.
Owa | 7:26 AM

again i have nothing to fear from your God, I dont smoke, i dont gamble, i dont stay out late. basically i have no life other then study and work. What can your God find fault in me? If you fear god that means you are doing something wrong in your life.




God: "Guowei, i found you guilty of not doing any evil/bad things while you are alive and to make your sin worse, you actually try to improve yourself and the people around you! AND NOW YOU WILL GO TO HELL! HELL!!!!!!" *thunder roar against the background*
Owa | 1:08 AM

let me try to understand what BIC is talking about
- Evolution is not real as long the source of everything is found
- Bible said God is the source of everything- Bible is correct cause is God word
- God exist cause Bible said so- Bible said God created everything
- evolution is wrong cause its the opp of what its written in BibleBIC:
Evolution cannot tell us the source of everything! SO BIBLE IS CORRECT!
the thing is, BIC you yourself cant prove who created everything.I vote for FSM! FSM CREATE EVERYTHING! B-PALM YOU BIC CAUSE I HAVE KNOW FSM CREATED EVERYTHING! STOP TURNING YOUR BACK TO FSM! ELSE NO BEER FOR YOU!

Im a christian and i believe God is the source and creator of everything including evolution so why cant evolution be real? can BIC answer this? cant God create 2 monkeys (adam and eve) and then they evolve to what we are now?actually the bible never said evolution was fake it is ppl's perception of creation. God created those creatures but those creatures evolved to what they are now, God could've put evolution into those animals.

for this to be true, you have to get God to come here and tell that himself. you have totally no prove what so ever ~.~ all you doing is scaring people. what else are you doing? save people? no la, think its more like scaring people.I vote for FSM! FSM SO SO MUCH MORE POWERFUL THEN YOUR GOD! I admit that this is a scarely thought. And FSM is so many time more formidable then any creationist then you can ever be.
BIC's God is the sole creator, source and origin of EVERYTHING in our universe.What is the origin of logic, laws of physics?"God"What is the origin of evil, ignorance?"I don't know"

LOL! Somebody EPIC FAIL to note the joke. A bit slow lah you.What's the joke
?Q: Can someone tell me what is the origin of ignorance? A: I don't know. (which in itself is admitting ignorance)
Still too slow to catch the joke? Here's another similar one.
Q: Can someone tell me what is the diff between being ignorant and apathy
?A: I don't know and I don't care!

Let me see, if you are born in remote town of china with no access to a bible, will bible God exist in your life as you have now? So without Bible there is no Bible God.







When we use research from evolution you will always reply "What give us the source ? who make this law?" so to you as long as we do not find the source of everything, you wont accept anything we said. So i'm not putting word into your mouth, i'm summarizing what you had being saying thus far.

in ancient china the ppl of old even the emperors worshipped a God called shang di
Owa | 12:49 AM